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Who Was Napoleon Bonaparte?
Reformer or dictator? Napoleon Bonaparte was one of the greatest military strategists of all time and served as not only the leader of France, but the Emperor of the French Empire. During the late 1700's and early 1800's, France was a formidable military power and ruled a very large part of the European continent and beyond - mostly because of Napoleon. But why did he divorce the wife that he claimed to love until his death? Why did he constantly provoke other countries into military conflict? Why did he hide his hand in his coat? During this episode, Kelly and Alex discuss the life and legacy of this legendary leader, Napoleon Bonaparte.
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Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of dirt nap interesting dead people. I am here today with one very named Alex. What are you up to Alex?
Alex:How's it going? Kelly?
Kelly:It's going great. I heard you got a package in the
Alex:I did I got a secret admirer it was from it was about bio bags. Yes.
Kelly:I did think about that when I when I packed it was you put your kitchen waste in so you can put them in the you
Alex:thought bio bags were for dog waste. I thought they
Kelly:No, no, no, you want much beefier bags than those poop because those bags those bio bags are designed to be pretty quickly. And they don't have enough content for
Alex:Well, I didn't know what it was. And I was afraid poop.
Kelly:Well, at least it would have been in a bio bag.
Alex:But luckily, it was a dirt nap city t shirt. Sweet.
Kelly:you want your own dirt nap city t shirt, let us know print on demand. Admittedly, they're a little pricey at they're low volume. But you know, when we start selling cheaper. But you know what, they're going to be limited this color, this gray color for a short period of time. we're walking around in a gray, dirt nap city t shirt, people on the planet. And
Alex:demand sounds a little aggressive. I mean, you can have to demand it.
Kelly:Yeah, sorry. I was going hard on that. Well, so someone that I think will be of great interest to everyone. in 1769. He also this is a big glue. He likes to wear big
Alex:You know, before you said that I was about to say might be Napoleon. And
Kelly:my next clue was going to be when you see his an Alatus Morissette song.
Alex:It's not Napoleon.
Kelly:It is Oh, okay. Because he had one hand in his pocket. big hat.
Alex:The Polian they just came up with a movie about
Kelly:You know, the whole reason I'm doing this is Oh, I didn't read a book in this case.
Alex:How'd you like the movie?
Kelly:What have you seen it? No. I enjoyed it. I thought great job. Like the acting was was really interesting. Dave the movie a couple of weeks ago. And then I decided this going through his life and all the battles he fought and and movie was greatly greatly simplified, but it did catch liked it. Jody fell asleep. But but it was also like, no, Disney plus now or on Apple or something. It we started it a started it's like three hours long. And we started at like late for us old folks. But we're seeing if you if you are and if you like, sort of that period of time, peace war interesting thing about that movie is he doesn't? Well, you French. None of them have any sort of French accent. As a French people in the movie have an English accent. And accent. He just he just talks like himself. Yeah,
Alex:I always wondered in those cases because it will accurate to have them have a French accent speaking
Kelly:right? Right. No, that would I think that would with their decision. It was just interesting to listen to movie, even though they were portraying you know because I got to know about Napoleon is he hated the English did always at war with the English and so for these people in his accent, kind of you know if you know that about him, it's just I mean, he just spoke straight up like walking
Alex:looking forward to this because I do not know about a perfectly fits in the wheelhouse of everybody knows don't know anything beyond the surface of that.
Kelly:Most people think his last name was dynamite. Yeah,
Alex:right. It wasn't. Are you telling me no. Okay.
Kelly:Bonaparte Bonaparte? Bonaparte. Interestingly, Italian. His family was Italian, but sort of Italian. He was born in Corsica, which is a part of the Republic of Genoa, is now a part of Italy. And but what happened is, it became a free and independent country, the island did, of But Genoa never really recognize that. And so they of France. Corsica as part of a deal to pay off some debt, Genoa, like militarily, he had done some things to help them
Alex:technically, he was Italian, but probably wasn't
Kelly:Napoleon actually moved to France when he was nine school. And he was teased a bit because he didn't actually he spoke Italian and Corsican. But he didn't speak French old. And he started getting teased and made fun of, he was an outsider and people, you know, the other kids gave However, there are stories that when he kind of learned adjusted at the school in France, he started to take actually was, became more popular, was able to lead one of the most famous stories is about him leading a group group of senior students in a snowball fight that they won
Alex:Oh, that's great leadership.
Kelly:It really is. He briefly wanted to be a writer. writer, his father. When his father died, he joined the to graduate quicker than the other students because he because his father had passed away. And he didn't have much Corsican to graduate from this military school. It was called
Alex:Yeah, that's French for a military school. Right,
Kelly:When he graduated, he became a second lieutenant. he spent four years as a second lieutenant doing his then in 1789, the French Revolution broke out. Now, the complicated, bloody, a lot of things going on. I mean, Antoinette had her head cut off. And because he was in this weird position of being a military man in the the French Revolution. And he got stationed in Corsica weird three way thing going because the course kids wanted completely. The revolutionaries wanted to be Royals wanted to keep things the way they were.
Alex:He was torn.
Kelly:No, he wasn't he was very dedicated to Corsica and didn't believe that the the Royal Military, or I'm sorry France was serving France. Well,
Alex:so he was just but he was in a place where it was volatile.
Kelly:Yes, yes. And lots, you know, three different three for three different things. He ended up actually getting known because he led a mission in Corsica to capture a hill. Corsica, Corsica at the time. So this was going on during British are occupying Corsica, he's in Corsica. There's from the French who the native Corsicans want to break away military there. He ended up leading a squadron or a troop captured this hill with cannons on it was able to turn cannons and Fire on British ships causing the British to island. And that kind of
Alex:made him famous was similar to the snowball fight. that point you had experienced in this.
Kelly:What happened then in March of 1796, after the met and married Josephine de bow hardness. I'm saying her was known, absolutely beautiful woman, at least as beautiful. She French. She was French. Yes. And he was But two days after they married, he actually was told army in Italy. And so he ended up going to Italy in 1796. married. And then it kind of gets into this whole set of know, French or France. We like to say in Texas that Isn't it are about the same size?
Alex:The IFF heard that. Yeah.
Kelly:Yeah. So I think France is a Texas is huge. As far as I guess, I guess even as far as European countries go, France, today is 211,000 square miles, or 547,000 height of the French empire. It was 2.1 million square miles. So about four times as big as it is today. Now by Empire's size at its height. You want to guess when the was like at its biggest at its peak? Yeah.
Alex:Sheesh. Was it in the 1700s?
Kelly:was no much later. Much later. Yeah. Yeah,
Alex:that was probably right. In the 20th century than maybe
Kelly:1920. Okay. Before World
Alex:War retweeted World War One and World War Two.
Kelly:Now remember, I said France was 2.1 million square British Empire was 35 point 5 million square kilometers. Right. That's
Alex:why English is spoken in so much of the world, I
Kelly:I guess that. I guess that makes point that makes a them, just like the French. The British Empire is much
Alex:Do you know how I knew that? That part of Texas used
Kelly:From a little amusement
Alex:park called Six Flags. Oh, that's right. And then red Fly over six flags.
Kelly:Do you know all six of the flags? Yeah. Yeah. You're
Alex:gonna test me on it? Yeah, yeah. Let's go. France, the Confederacy and the Republic of Texas. Nice.
Kelly:So so that actually, there's a little bit of a now there's like six flags all over the country. There's like There's a six flag? Is that still just the Six Flags of doesn't have anything to do with those states
Alex:heritage? No, because Texas was Texas. Like it the company Six Flags. Yeah, they're in like in New Jersey. never part of Texas. And there were never Six Flags over New was called Six Flags Over Texas.
Kelly:Yeah, yes. I remember that. As a matter of fact, think you know, we had asked her yeah, he was Arlington. Flags Over Texas. But I always heard it was better than Cowboys are better than the oil.
Alex:I went in, it wasn't so well.
Kelly:So so that kind of begs the question. If you're from has a Six Flags, what Six Flags do they have up there?
Alex:the same Six Flags, but they don't make any sense.
Kelly:Yeah, so why would you have a Texas flag up in don't know. Okay. Well, I hope someone from one of those Detroit, Six Flags over Detroit?
Alex:No, although I think Six Flags ended up buying a bunch already existed. And like branding them, it wouldn't be there were six flags of places that I use, you know, go as a Yeah, no, I think the Six Flags is just Six Flags Over
Kelly:okay. Yeah. Well, France was one of them. And the part of the, as a matter of fact, while we're on the know how much we paid the United States paid for? The land?
Alex:I think it was cheap. I think it was a couple 100
Kelly:No, no, no. New York.
Alex:I think in New York, it was like $1 It
Kelly:was three cents per acre. Okay, but it was 5$15 million, I think is what it worked out to,
Alex:like I said a couple of 100 bucks. And for that we got
Kelly:we got. Okay, we got Arkansas. We got Missouri. We got Kansas, we got Nebraska, we got a large part of North got some parts of Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, east of the little bit of Minnesota, we got New Mexico, the northern Louisiana.
Alex:It's pretty good bargain. 15 million bucks and
Kelly:small parts of Alberta and Saskatchewan were part of
Alex:Oh, and then we ended up giving that back to Canada.
Kelly:I think I think there's a there's a line, you know, longitude, latitude, latitude and a line or longitude a line above it is Canada and everything below it's the interestingly, I don't know if you know this, there is it's in Michigan, that is completely surrounded by Yeah, you in the winter, when there's a lake that freezes, directly. In the summer, when that lake is wet. They have to into the US is a Canadian, it is a United States city. So Napoleon, he really impacted a lot of things. Sure. So, you kinds of countries. I mean, he fought with, he fought with Russia, he fought with Britain, he fought with he lot. He fought with Spain, he fought with Portugal. And, you things. He was actually pretty well feared because he was a guess, effective commander. So were these wars, were these aggression? Primarily aggression. Right. So he was they became the French Empire. You know, they weren't just the French Empire. Sure. Now, he became the first emperor of difference between an emperor and a king?
Alex:You mean, those five people picked him to be the
Kelly:no, this was years later after the app? Yeah, said the directory was when he was kind of starting his forward. As a matter of fact, I'm skipping forward from what
Alex:Okay,
Kelly:let's just say he fought a bunch of battles 1804, he was super popular. The directory, everybody said, battles, you've made our you've made France such a Emperor of France.
Alex:So the difference between a empire and a king, I of lines of succession, that the Emperor's heirs wouldn't emperor. Is that true?
Kelly:No, no, that is that is incorrect. Would
Alex:an emperor be over an empire rather than a country?
Kelly:So a king would be over a kingdom. Whereas a king is a over a specific individual kingdom around where an kingdoms or territories and is therefore superior to the
Alex:Oh, there's placed Okay, so there would be a king that Yes,
Kelly:it's like governors and President kind of thing. Now, appointed by Napoleon over over the years. And basically, that appointment with the understanding that they would was coronated as emperor, as I said, in 1804, and the name of I think he's got a great name. When I first saw it, I thought early hybrid vehicle from Toyota. But I realized I was Prius. It's Pope Pius
Alex:the seventh. Oh, yeah. Pious. You plug
Kelly:him in is it goes forever. He did the that's such a great name for Pope Pius.
Alex:Yeah. Probably a lot of travel at that job Yes.
Kelly:So he was a very hands on Emperor he went into battle send his troops into battle. As a matter of fact, he did called the wars of the coalition's and the words of were seven of them, they were all wars where other countries him, or he attacked one of them and ended up getting, you country that he attacked, he attacked Austria multiple attacked Portugal, he attacked Russia, he attacked, you know, out, trying to get this great land, great empire take over coalition's would form and fight him back a little bit, again. And this went on for years and yours. In 1804, just he had an army of 350,000 men who are well trained, well going to Naples, and put his brother Joseph, in charge of declared king of Italy. But then he declared his brother he made his other brother Joseph was his older brother, the king of Holland. So
Alex:was this a deal of like, attack or be attacked? Or was the French way of life? Or? You think I mean, what was Was Destiny here? Why why trying to take over the world like
Kelly:a lot of people say it was his personality that he insecure. And that he did this to sort of prove himself again really strong suit was military tactics. He was very was trying to play to his strong, his strong suit. But I enough people in the nose, you start to get really unpopular so, so I think I think it later became that sort of had a lot of haters in Prussia, and this coalition So he attacked pressure with 180,000 troops. And he heavy casualties. And he captured 140,000 soldiers and this pressure did not negotiate. And the Russians Russians actually got pretty beat by the French at that time, he was actually considering his wife, he had right, Josephine had not produced the child for him. So majority of the Russian army, he made friends with the Tsar Alexander, and tried to get Alexander to let him marry his saying she was too young and he didn't want that to happen. adversary, Austria. He decided he wanted to marry somebody so alliance with another sort of culture. Even though the the Austrians and the French had fought so many times, he divorcing Josephine, because she couldn't give a baby and Austrian emperor, whose name was Mary Louise, who happened Antoinette. So, but
Alex:he had attacked Austria over and over and over. Yes,
Kelly:This was the funny thing was they kind of went there was actually a time when he tried to make peace or make East. And he had made allegiances with the Turks, he Egypt, in the Middle East, and then he poached and then he allegiance with Russia, who wanted to invade that part of along with Russia. So they would kind of flip flop the friends with or made any out allegiances with was England Yeah,
Alex:it's also exhausting. Really, it's,
Kelly:it's so exhausting. I mean, he lost. It said that. estimated that between 13 and 15 million people died.
Alex:Wow, really, and he can trace it back to just him
Kelly:he was involved in Yeah, he was involved in the heard that term.
Alex:So would you by today's standards, would you call him
Kelly:So, historians believe that when he began, he was did some really good things for France after the French education for men, right? He wasn't very big on women's was back then. Or at least not men. No men were back then. I guess, as a ruler, back then, he became more and more became more and more superstitious. He was a big numerology. He often asked his generals if they were feeling serious. Like if they said, No, he didn't want them to go him. Yeah. You feeling lucky kid?
Alex:This reminds me of the Henry the Eighth conversation he, you know, he did some good too. And then?
Kelly:Well, you know, it's definitely I think, at the end say, what did he do good or bad? I think the bad outweigh the
Alex:people in France, did they like him at the time did
Kelly:They did, until remember I was talking about of coalition. So he basically won the first six, and then and by the way, in one of those wars of coalition, he another relative of his, the king of Spain. So he would go butts, and then make a relative king that was sort of you know, he won the third coalition, the fourth getting pushed back and, and losing troops and you know, of these were very clear wins. Some of them weren't. But coalition was the one that got him and after all these years actually was stripped of his emperor ship, like he was himself, the island of Elba. Elba. Yes, that was that was was on Elba with about 1200 inhabitants. Now this is in
Alex:I always wanted to cut Elba to be like a deserted By himself, like with his record collection, like desert
Kelly:desert island and his monocle and his big pointy enough. You have it right. But you have the timing off and banished to the Isle of Elba. And he was given sovereignty actually allowed to be the emperor of Elba Island.
Alex:Was that's like a really tiny place, right? So here he French Empire. And now he rose this little
Kelly:Elba Island. Right? Well, so there were there were was industry there were about 12,000 people in the ships that came in and out for trading. And he actually was there, and sailed back to France. Now, part of this was Number one, he always carried with him a pill, a suicide little thing around his neck, like a little, you know, twist on a necklace. He had carried it for so long, that when he Isle of Elba, because he was thinking he was going to just potency. Expired medicine. Yes, made him throw up and and then, while he was out and Elba he found out that never stopped loving Josephine. He actually loved second wife who gave him a child, but Josephine couldn't why he divorced her. So when he found that out, he sailed back to France. And when he got to France, he was because they had heard he was coming. King Louis sent this intercept him and bring him back and they said, Yes, I'll cage when they gets out there. And when he does, Napoleon has But Napoleon gets off his horse, and he walks towards towards the other soldiers. And he says, If you want to but I don't think you will. And basically nae bent down, know, I've missed you. You are my emperor. Wow. I am. I'm
Alex:had his charisma there. So what
Kelly:happened is ne and his men, and Napoleon and his men Paris. And Louie was so unpopular, that he knew he wouldn't be able to get the popularity, I guess, people the things that Napoleon had done to this point. And they power. But it only lasted 100 days. And it was called the He thought he had momentum. So he decided to go on the military, who welcomed him back against the British, and he hated the British and he had been sitting on an island Waterloo, that during the 100 days, during the 100 days on getting defeated by the British and Prussian armies in part of Belgium now is a part of Belgium now, but was part time. So now, what do they do with him, they don't execute banished again. And the British sent him to the island Now this one was not just a hop, skip and a jump away from off the coast of West Africa. So it was a little bit further had 2100 soldiers stationed there, and 10 ships, and part keep him from escaping.
Alex:Yeah, the first time didn't take it. Well, he was of too much freedom. But even then he tried to kill himself.
Kelly:Yeah, yeah. The first time. Well, the second time, place called Longwood house. And believe it or not, it's island of St. Helena, you can actually visit it or see lived. Apparently it was. This was where he lived on kind of Africa. 100. Well, not near 1100 miles away. But yes, the from there. So this is this is about as remote as you get. So Longwood house, there were rats that was unhealthy. It However, he did still have occasional visitors, he would other dignitaries. He would receive them, he would visit them. You know, he was not treated. Like, you know, bread was treated more like a royal prisoner. But it wasn't a this was the rock I think you were thinking of,
Alex:I just I don't know, I that was maybe a Schoolhouse showed him on an island with a palm tree by himself.
Kelly:Yeah, but this this was definitely a lot more that banishment. But, you know, I wonder if it was me. And I at the time or, you know, a British General or something. after all this?
Alex:No, they were far too kind to him. I mean, I think far less than this. And he probably executed people for Yeah. He
Kelly:did. Yeah, there was a lot of there was sort of a lot of Napoleon that he had it too good. But he didn't really And in 1821, he died on Cinco Demayo. That actually means age of 5151.
Alex:Wow, that's a big life. That's a big life. Well,
Kelly:I mean, you know, putting it in perspective, you that. Right? Yeah, that
Alex:the people that we talked about from like the ones that are in charge that do a lot of traveling back and they have such short lives because it takes like a year six months to get somewhere and then six months to get that part alone just takes years off your life. But yeah, life. So I have a couple of questions. One, what part of got it
Kelly:covered from the time he kind of rose to military Revolution was happening. And he took that was in Corsica able to fire on the British Navy. It's kind of where it through His death.
Alex:So it doesn't show the snowball fight.
Kelly:No, no snowball fight was not there, Josephine's a
Alex:have to listen to this podcast to get the snowball that's true. Or read Wikipedia. Alright, the other about was, I don't know if you know this, but I'm a gentleman guy. And as a short guy, growing up anytime I assert my be accused of having a Napoleon Complex. That that's, that, that basically too big for his britches, and tries somebody. And I know, being a psychologist, there's not much of a thing where short people have this complex, that's, support that. But how short was he? You know? So?
Kelly:Yes. Interesting. You should ask. He was five to foot to the French used a different system of inches. So that actually translated to five foot six then, but here's the other thing that was interesting. He that was always around him like bodyguards, because he attempts on him. These were big guys. So it'd be kind of walking out onto an NBA court. Right? It's it's all of people thought he was shorter than he was. Because who were six feet five, six feet to, you know, whatever, part of his royal guard. So that is definitely something it was also talked about that maybe he just had insecurity had grown up as an outsider as a Corsican. You know, moving really a native to France.
Alex:Yeah, yeah. No, that's interesting. I'm glad. I'm Yeah,
Kelly:well, it it was said again, he started off pretty power. He just kind of had a lot of Yes, men around him. paranoid because he did have some assassination attempts. the Napoleonic Code, if you heard of that, yes. So that time, there weren't clearly written laws. And because kingdoms and fiefdoms and villages and, you know, local He tried to, for the entire French Empire tried to make gave people a guide for things like civil code. Equality tolerance, property rights, inheritance for children. Kind feudalism. These are all the things that he did that were Napoleonic Code. But as I said, it really didn't treat were divorced. It treated them very poorly, and people of
Alex:remember hearing that like the the wheels, the based on Napoleonic Code somehow. Oh,
Kelly:no. I mean, that could be because because Louisiana, colony of Louisiana, you know, we think of Louisiana as a sized state, right? The colony of Louisiana was all of that earlier. All those states that we mentioned earlier, were interesting, the actual density of French people in So when the US when the US bought Louisiana Oh, and by bought from France had been under the control of Spain for actually got it back from Spain through you know, intimidating and he battled with them and won it as a under Spanish rule for a while, but it was French. of French people living there. It was mostly Native it from France, we bought it, we were basically saying we're the right to go in and either buy it from the natives or from them. You know, that was kind of what we were buying. anything that they controlled that that France controlled paper. Oh,
Alex:yeah. And there wasn't a lot to it, either. It was
Kelly:no, I mean, we're talking about Missouri and
Alex:I thought you meant Louisiana. No, I
Kelly:meant that whole piece of property. Right. Yeah. That
Alex:Yeah.
Kelly:But but it was, you know, Thomas Jefferson was the really wanted the he really wanted it because it basically It was the way because up until that time, we kind of Mississippi. That was our way to get beyond the Mississippi. that deal. As as part of the negotiation with France, it thought I was gonna say, Roosevelt, right? Yeah. A bit Madison. Yeah, a little off. So one of the big things he hatred for England, is there was pretty much always an Like he wouldn't let anybody in his empire trade with out. So one of the things he would do is if he saw a woman he thought was made in England, he would actually
Alex:or steal food on it's inappropriate.
Kelly:Well, you know, he, he was Viva la France, right. said to have enjoyed hot baths, extremely hot baths. also said to have had painful hemorrhoids throughout his
Alex:You know, he did a lot of things in his life. But people say about you that you had painful hemorrhoids. I always been complaining about it in order for that to be 200 years later, you know, it's funny
Kelly:how those things stick sometimes. You're a big a connection to Kansas City through my family. And my tickets to the Royals. And you know,
Alex:George Brown, I know where you're going. Where are
Kelly:was a very, very excellent baseball player, but the things I remember about him is that he suffered from
Alex:I remember that too. Yeah.
Kelly:Poor guy. Yeah. It's, it's,
Alex:I don't want that millions of Americans suffer. know to Napoleon and George.
Kelly:He was very superstitious. He carried a all the time, even after he divorced her. And he thought was also said to have had a mathematical theorem. Well, he named after him called Napoleon's theorem. You want it's a good one. If equal, if equal lateral triangles are any triangle, the centers of those triangles themselves Yeah, Napoleon's theorem. A couple other quick things He a great general, you said to be a very poor horseman and a
Alex:He was more of an aggressive just take what you Europe's bully, like everything. Yeah, he was a way to define him in this in this day and age. He was a
Kelly:But you know, he was a bully with a romantic heart Josephine
Alex:not enough to stay married to her though happened to these kids? Well, interestingly,
Kelly:he only had one legitimate child. So he had he illegitimate children.
Alex:Not a huge fan of that term out of wedlock.
Kelly:Okay, is out of wedlock children. I don't know that You know, they they but you know, again, Napoleonic law rights. But his his son with his wife, his second wife shot a Joe Fef. Knee Napoleon. He died at 18. He died at the actually sucks seceded, Napoleon as emperor of France mean, a couple of weeks before Louie the 18th came back in
Alex:I think I remember hearing about Napoleon the Well,
Kelly:that was Napoleon the second he was For two weeks, weeks because because as he wasn't strong enough to keep been ousted during the revolution came back, like Royals that they had fought off in the first case,
Alex:the Louise wonder how tall he was
Kelly:now, now, there wasn't Napoleon. The third, who was came later in France was was a was a part of, you know, head don't know anything about him
Alex:is probably more like, that was probably more like
Kelly:Electric Boogaloo. So, so Yeah, he definitely is one would probably recognize a portrait of him because know that that move where you put your hand in the pocket been a sign of confidence. A lot of people wondered if it injured, or maybe his stomach was in pain, because he did know, and maybe he was holding that. But really, that was that you were confident that you were calm, by having your you were a man of leadership and high stature.
Alex:Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, move, though.
Kelly:Oh, yeah. Yeah, many people, many people during their portraits and such. It was kind of in fact,
Alex:if I went to Elba on vacation, and I was getting a chance I would and
Kelly:where a pointy hat.
Alex:If I had one, I don't really Oh, if you
Kelly:go to elbow, you gotta get one. You
Alex:think they sell? Oh, sure. Sure they do. I wonder celebrate him on Alba like is that a tourist place where you the one place that I know of? I don't even know where it is. I
Kelly:don't know if they celebrate him. But you know, And it was eventually brought back to France, like in 1840. us to head off state funeral for him. And like 700,000 funeral. Oh, well, hey, man, that's Napoleon Bonaparte. If would see it I liked it. I thought it was just don't evening and you'll make it all the way through or after a something like that or watch it in two parts. You know, you rent it, you know, unless you do these digital rentals where then you have 20 Yes, yeah, in which case you're like through it. So but yeah, the Polian quite a guy hope you this kind of thing, please be sure to subscribe to us check dirt nap city on Facebook, or Internet City podcast and how
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