Who Was Johnny Appleseed?

John Chapman, also known as Johnny Appleseed, was a Christian evangelist one of the first American conservationists. He lived in the late 18th and early 19th century and was known to have planted apple nurseries throughout the northern United States and parts of Canada. He was rumored to have had a pet wolf and walk through the snow with no shoes. But despite his shabby appearance, Johnny Appleseed was also a savvy business man who traded his trees for land throughout the country, amassing a large number of acres during his lifetime.
In this episode, Kelly and Alex talk all things apples and explore the life of the man who made his fame from planting them.

Transcript

Kelly: 0:08

Hey everybody, welcome to an episode of Dirt Nap City, the people. And today we have one of the most interesting dead people that person and give some clues, I'm going to introduce one of people around Alex, everybody. Give him a hand.

Alex: 0:30

Thank you. Thank you. I've heard recently some people because they think that, that they kind of get stuck on the it's maybe going to be a gruesome show, and we're going the details of their death. And that's not the dead parts.

Kelly: 0:52

Those old like those old snuff films. Yeah, faces. No.

Alex: 0:58

the audio version of faces of death.

Kelly: 1:01

Right, right. You're not gonna see anything that will except for except for us. So part

Alex: 1:06

about being dead is just categorizes them.

Kelly: 1:10

Yeah, yeah. And also I feel like it it, you know, you podcast about interesting, deceased people. That doesn't the point, right? It's very direct. That's how we try to be

Alex: 1:24

absolutely. But we don't. We really don't spend much time don't even mention how these people died. We mentioned the

Kelly: 1:34

we know the year might we might not even know the year. citation for that part. Sometimes,

Alex: 1:41

like in the case of Amelia Earhart, we don't even really

Kelly: 1:44

They could still be alive in which case she would be the very old but interesting. nonetheless. Amelia if you're out we'll have you on as a guest. You can what's the what's write us and not at dirt nap city, and that could also be in dirt nap city. So for today, I have someone that definitely person everybody's heard of but don't doesn't know much about I is Alex doesn't know who this person is yet. But I'm going to you listen and see if you already know but see if I'm start with this clue. Now this clue has a bit of a visual and ready, Alex?

Alex: 2:35

I am I hope you're talking about Johnny Appleseed said it?

Kelly: 2:47

You got it? Got it.

Alex: 2:51

Wow. That was one of the ones I when we first started apple.

Kelly: 3:01

Yes, Johnny Appleseed. What do you know about Johnny

Alex: 3:06

I can picture a book when I was a kid. And he had like a head. Right. Right. Right. I don't know why now that I think dancin. Yeah. Yeah, it's but all I know. I feel like he maybe like he was maybe American. Yeah, but I don't I don't think Well, you

Kelly: 3:35

probably saw the Disney cartoon about him, I think from legend of Johnny Appleseed. We'll get into that in a minute. all of that. I'm so glad that my clue. For those of you who eat an apple took a bite of an apple.

Alex: 3:55

No, eating a pear would have sounded exactly the same.

Kelly: 3:59

as crunchy. Pears are soft. You wouldn't you wouldn't Please. Good ones are soft. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess if Johnny Appleseed was American. He was a little early for your 1774 on September 26, in Leominster, Massachusetts. And in the US. That was so maybe he wasn't American that was part of in back before 1776, the Revolutionary War. He was born was part of British America. He didn't die until 1845 on March things about him is who are some other people you might think of Appleseed.

Alex: 4:51

I don't what do you what do you mean along the same line?

Kelly: 4:53

I mean, like American Legends of the same, I'll give know, John Generally the hammer or okay Bunyan, Paul, Paul Revere, I think was more of a real historical figure, whereas more legendary, but you're right, actually, Paul Revere. wrong real person. Davy Crockett, that might be another These are these kind of larger than life, people that were influencers before there were social media influencers, right? giant ox, an accent an ox, John Henry had a hammer. Davy did Johnny Appleseed had? He was hot on his head, a pot on his seeds. He was a nursery man. Have you heard that term? I have sounds like an insult, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah. Which seeds and grew these trees up to a certain size where they could Now the difference between a nursery and an orchard an permanently Grow and Give their fruit. A nursery is where brought up to the point where they can be moved to an orchard.

Alex: 6:22

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah.

Kelly: 6:24

He introduced apple trees to Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, say, West Virginia, and even parts of present day Ontario,

Alex: 6:39

Did he do this on his own? Or somebody asked him to do

Kelly: 6:42

So interestingly, we'll get into that story about him But he did mostly do it on its own. Yes. He was actually also a Now the new church was a religious movement at the time. Borg Swedenborg. Swedenborg. Ian. Never heard of this one. Emanuel Swedenborg. And he was a scientist in the 1700s. And he was doing, you know, chemistry and biology and lots of sciency locate the human soul, he thought he could physically find And he obviously well, I don't say obviously, he never found that he could point out. I think for a long time, I think for a small intestine was a soul. But you know, that was proven wrong. sort of religious bent, the Swedenborg guy, and much like the time, who kind of claimed to know a lot about the Bible, and, started writing books, to the Swedenborg wrote quite a few including one titled Heaven and Hell, another one titled The favorite title, Apocalypse explained. And Johnny, as a hold of these books and became a fervent believer of the as the new church. And so his mission actually in life was not also planted the seed of the new church as he went around and dual pronged approach. He got you with the apples and he kept Yeah. So his mother died when he was two years old. In and then six. His father whose name was Nathaniel remarried, a woman way, that's about the coolest name ever. Lucy Cooley, don't

Alex: 9:03

I mean, Johnny Appleseed and too bad either?

Kelly: 9:05

Yeah. Was father remarried. Nathaniel Appleseed. actually Chapman. John Chapman was Johnny Appleseed the real

Alex: 9:16

which means that I might be related to him because if you that's the that's the Mayflower side that I'm really from the episode.

Kelly: 9:26

Oh, man. Well, well, we're gonna get to a part about that. But his father remarried after his mother died. And he Nathaniel Cooley Chapman. And when Johnny was 18 and Nathaniel brother, who was 11 at the time, little half brother, he him. Everybody was going west. And so he said, The Daniel, brothers, Nathaniel Cooley. Chapman, and John Chapman went left their father and their family. And basically Lynn lived years until, gosh, I guess until 1800s. So about eight years, like this. There isn't a whole lot documented about what they California, they've kind of traveled around. And eventually, Ohio, where he met up with his boys where he met up with Nathan decided he was going to go ahead and stay and help his father John kept traveling, and eventually ended up under the Mr. Crawford. Now, can you guess what Mr. Crawford did for a was he a nursery man, he grapples he was an apple man. 26, John Chapman planted his first orchard, and in licking to be in love with this whole thing. So he tended to this finally got the Wanderlust again and decided to go out and embark using two canoes that he had tied together. And he took with the intent of growing, you know, spreading apple seeds around. all think that he planted these things randomly, but he didn't, or not orchards, he actually created these little nurseries said, a nursery is where you germinate the seed, it grows up to protect it. So you have to build a fence around it to keep cattle and other you know, grazing animals away, and you actually did was he started this business where he would go would plant the seeds for them, you know, and set it up with survive. And then he would make rounds every year, six months to tend to it and trim them and get them bigger. And then when the farmers would sell these apple trees, and John would get a that was kind of his, his deal. And that he also sometimes would land that the farmers would have. So they might give him two property, that he could plant this nursery or even plant an payment would come later in the form of the land. So he was kind future, if that makes sense. Oh,

Alex: 12:55

yeah. Nice metaphor. Now, why apples? Why is this because pretty or because it provides shade? I mean, why? Why was this

Kelly: 13:04

You know? That's, that's a great question. And I don't and all the stuff that I read why he picked apples, I think I abundantly and pretty naturally in the soil. I also think they thing. And at the time, a lot of people you know, that old saying away. Apples were very much. They were sweet. They were easy for a long time. I think there was a practicality to it. That

Alex: 13:38

probably pretty hearty, too, for the North northern to like oranges, which didn't grow up there.

Kelly: 13:46

And remember, the whole time he's doing this, he's not but he's also he's also preaching about the new church. was almost like he used the apples that as an excuse to meet him, but then he would, he would preach to them. And a lot of mind. As a matter of fact, a lot of people would put him up in have a home. He didn't wear shoes. And as you said he hat. Well, that was a mosh pot was called a mosh pot at the wore it on his head. But when he wasn't wearing it on his head, make apple mush or any other kind of mush he was gonna eat.

Alex: 14:35

Yeah, well, I mean, I might be more into that if it

Kelly: 14:39

Well, remember, he's, he's, he's a one man show. He like that. He's walking barefoot, so it was convenient protected his head. As a matter of fact, there were several know, he's out in the forest, and the mosh pot actually up Oh,

Alex: 15:00

it's like a hard hat. Yeah. And you're right as I Disneyfication version of me does have bare feet and

Kelly: 15:09

yep. And he's singing the song. Oh, the Lord is good to giving me the things I need the sun, the rain in the Appleseed.

Alex: 15:23

in the Disney version? Or does that really mean? Both?

Kelly: 15:28

Both? Actually, it's funny. We used to sing that at a song from the Disney film, but it is. He thinks about that. And Snow White kind of vibe, because there's little birds chirping the birds and you hear them singing. Do you remember all

Alex: 15:48

Was it a cartoon or live action?

Kelly: 15:50

It was a cartoon?

Alex: 15:52

No, I don't remember I can just remember a single image. I

Kelly: 15:57

Google that if you Google the movie, The Story Disney the You'll see this little thing on YouTube. That's it. Like I said, of vibe. Very happy, beautiful thing.

Alex: 16:12

You've called him John a few times. John Appleseed is a the name Johnny, makes him much more beloved than John

Kelly: 16:25

Well, it's funny you say that because in 1822, the very from a member of the new church describing a small, quick, too long, but unshaven and bare feet and sparkling eyes, who forest, referred to him as John Appleseed, to the very first Appleseed by a church member who was writing a letter. I think really made famous was when it was written in Harper's monthly magazine. And they basically talked about this man Christian, who went around and preached the gospel and planted was that at that point, they called him Johnny. Got

Alex: 17:21

he was still alive. Oh, yeah. He became a writing about was famous when he was alive. Yes,

Kelly: 17:28

yes. He became sort of a folk lore legend at the time person. So that's what's kind of interesting. You know, when you Paul Bunyan was a real person. But I think there was a lot of with Johnny Appleseed, it was pretty much stuck to the the some indulgence, of course. There's a pretty famous story came across a missionary preaching to an open air Ohio. And the preacher was talking about living like a that because people today are becoming they're becoming their indulgences like Calico and t. So this man said, where the primitive Christians is traveling to heaven, barefoot then right at that point, Johnny Appleseed walks up, puts his was using as a pulpit and says, Here's your primitive Christian,

Alex: 18:40

yeah, How about them apples?

Kelly: 18:44

So there was a lot of debate about whether John actually sort of this folksy push over of a man or if he was businessman, and a lot of people say he was actually pretty smart because he ended up with 1000s of acres of land at the end of know, a lot more than the apple seeds he had originally taken time to accumulate all those things, right. He was he was future.

Alex: 19:23

How long did he live?

Kelly: 19:26

He died in 1845. He was born in 1774. So let's do a 2645 plus 26 is what 71 or 71? Yeah, pretty ripe old age for

Alex: 19:46

It was all those apples. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelly: 19:48

I mean, you could say and probably some clean living, you also, I think he was purported in legend to have had a pet wolf Oh, was that in the movie that he helped after healing? Healing don't know. Now

Alex: 20:09

that would be a movie. Yeah, man. And you got my also is

Kelly: 20:15

reported to have actually put out a fire that he was using a mosquito into the blaze, you know, attracted it and burned idea that he had destroyed one of God's creatures. No, really, reported to have actually built a shelter in a hollow lug, and in the shelter to find that it had been occupied by bear cubs have it. He didn't. He didn't try to take them away. Let him

Alex: 20:58

Now that's pretty amazing that a guy a nursery men, as you towards insects. Because you think that those people that are Nemesis through right pests, because that ruins their crops, think not only a mosquito, but any kind of thing that would

Kelly: 21:24

there's little worms that get in the app. Right. But he was more of a an evangelist first, you know, a sort of man selling the apples or anything. He was, well, it was kind of He planted the trees. He was a vegetarian. He also never often said that he knew if he couldn't find his soulmate on in heaven. And so you know, just pretty, pretty nice. You know, I get beat up today. Well, I mean, if some guy showed up and wanted your yard and didn't ask you for money, and if he asked if he grass, and he was barefoot, would you call the cops? Well,

Alex: 22:23

it's the it's the timeshare aspect of it where he first, let me let me tell you about the word. Right, right. that part of it. That probably would

Kelly: 22:39

not be challenging. Yeah. Well,

Alex: 22:41

so was he nomadic? Like, did he have a place to live? Or town to the next his whole life,

Kelly: 22:47

he was very nomadic. He went from town to town. And checking in on these nurseries that he had set up. So he had the states I mentioned at the beginning. I think he was Fort Wayne, Indiana. Those were two places that are often him.

Alex: 23:09

But this is probably all horse and buggy. Right? I mean,

Kelly: 23:13

inhibitors for him. It was foot on foot from state to Yeah, just walking along barefoot. Yeah.

Alex: 23:21

And you say he wasn't married. What a surprise.

Kelly: 23:25

Well, he passed away on March 18 1845. There was a Wayne Sentinel on March 22. That said, on the same day in this Mr. John Chapman, better known as Johnny Appleseed passed away. through this region by his eccentricity, and the strange occupation of a nursery man and has been a regular visitor here, native of Pennsylvania, we understand but his home, if home in this neighborhood of Cleveland, where his relatives considerable property, he is supposed to own considerable denied himself the common necessities of life, not so timey words here. avarice is from the particular notion of religious beliefs, he was a follower of Swedenborg and he endured in this world, the less he would have to suffer and happiness hereafter. He submitted every privation with believing that in doing so he was securing snug quarters

Alex: 24:58

I find it od did he was so famous, then I feel like if today, they would have a tick tock. And they would have right everything. Right,

Kelly: 25:13

right, we did about interband a converted Sprinter

Alex: 25:17

So imagine in the days before that, somebody just going Appleseeds why that would make him a celebrity and why you and later, it's

Kelly: 25:31

probably all the songs and all the poems. There's a lot written about him. And, and, but yeah, I mean, it's his brand of today, you know, unless unless he was doing it. Ironically, way he'd be able to get away with it is to be ironic.

Alex: 25:52

I mean, you see people now that like, do things, you know, charity or something, you know, we never I don't even know those during the last World Cup, there was a guy that was gonna dribble the country to the other end, he went like 11 miles ago to buy a

Kelly: 26:17

And if cars it existed back then Johnny Appleseed might thank God they there weren't any cars, you know, even the horse him.

Alex: 26:29

I just don't know why he was so famous. Yeah,

Kelly: 26:31

well, I mean, so famous that he has a park named after There's a Johnny Appleseed festival in Lisbon, Ohio, Festival, the third week of September in Fort Wayne, can only eat what was available during his lifetime. It's all to that. That sounds fun. In 2008. The Fort Wayne wizards, baseball club changed their name to the Fort Wayne tin caps. No. the new names, they won the league championship, and their

Alex: 27:17

Okay, I'm into that. I would like to go to the festival long as they didn't make the apple mash with pods that have

Kelly: 27:27

What goes on your head? You have to bring your own. I'd yeah. You so you'd be grossed out by eating a pot off of my head, you're fine with? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's schools memorials and all kinds of statues in Ohio and Cincinnati. there's even a musical that was written about Johnny Appleseed.

Alex: 27:55

And think about it, too, that this was he was famous. But right, the turn of the 19th century.

Kelly: 28:04

Yeah, the mid mid 1800s. Mid 18th

Alex: 28:08

on Yeah. So who else was famous around that was that

Kelly: 28:14

I think Houdini was more contemporary than that with any.

Alex: 28:19

I have to go listen. Yeah, yes. If anybody

Kelly: 28:21

knows, give me give me an hour. Hold

Alex: 28:23

on. I'll be right. Yeah, there

Kelly: 28:25

was a abolitionist named Lydia Maria child who wrote a this is not written by chat. GPT by the way, it's written by 1880 Maria child. In cities, some said the old man was crazy, lazy, but he took no notice of jibes and years. He knew he was they inquire whence came these trees were not about once swayed comes as they travel on these trees were planted by Apple John,

Alex: 29:07

that absolutely sounds like Chet GPT an

Kelly: 29:11

18. Ad. abolitionist author, woman, no less at the she was well ahead of her time. So with all of that said, you good he was a good guy. By all accounts. Supposedly today, a direct descendant from his trees. Only one well, one that's famous.

Alex: 29:45

I would expect there be entire orchards that would be things were raised for housing developments. Shopping malls,

Kelly: 29:56

Hold on. I got that wrong. It isn't a descendant Appleseed, there's still a while still a tree that that there's Appleseed. And you, you want to know the type of Apple? It is?

Alex: 30:14

Yeah, tell me

Kelly: 30:15

it's a Rambo Apple, who I've never heard of that. I greenish yellow skin. It's got kind of a dull grayish bloom of ripen in in late fall. And they're actually not very good. like feeding livestock, and not not really all that great of an

Alex: 30:45

I was gonna say I bet you the livestock disagree on that.

Kelly: 30:49

But you know how there's there's certain types of apples there's other types that are more designed for apples. So the author of the book, first blood. He supposedly named the that his wife brought home from a roadside stand.

Alex: 31:13

That's cool, except for the Apple wasn't good. Literally literally a bad apple. Yeah, just like Rambo.

Kelly: 31:23

Yes, yes. Yeah, so the RAMBo apple. So here's the of his religious beliefs. John Chapman, aka Johnny Appleseed Now, are you familiar with that concept? grafting? I mean, concept but why you would do that? No. So they would graph together to get a better flavor. It's kind of natural selection kind of like when animals breed and the strongest attributes plants together, you get the strongest, so you get the that sort of thing. But a lot of people back then, and maybe even God to grab right things. Texas

Alex: 32:13

a&m does a lot of this, they made a maroon carrot color orange. They recently made a jalapeno that isn't spicy. stuff.

Kelly: 32:25

I mean, both of those pointless? Well, but that's what though, that's interesting, is that some people actually man who it's not really known, by the way if he abstained from for the most part, his apple trees weren't grafted, they were he had available. So they were more of the sort of, you know, kind of variety might feed the livestock or it just might not to make cider. And it's kind of said that, that was one of the was the fermentation of alcohol because they could make they can these apples. And he didn't drink that, though. It's not mentioned. But but interesting, you know, especially if he was a been responsible for bringing so much alcohol now. I've got a few you might find interesting. You want to hear.

Alex: 33:41

And by the way, I grew up on non alcoholic cider. That is a cider mill, where near where I grew up, and you'd go there in and then they'd have these these doughnuts, these like cinnamon or cold cider. It's good stuff. So

Kelly: 34:05

we always have to bring it back to the Simpsons, right? remember this, but Ned Flanders had a handy rhyme for telling juice. Apple juice on apple cider. What's that? If it's juice there fella. If it's tangy and brown urine cider town.

Alex: 34:32

That's a good rule of thumb.

Kelly: 34:34

Yes, thank you dead Flanders.

Alex: 34:37

I like cider a lot more than juice. But that's good

Kelly: 34:41

well, it's if it's clear and brown. Or if it's

Alex: 34:46

the alcohol version of cider. Yeah. It's great.

Kelly: 34:49

Shout out to Austin EastSiders. Maybe they want to

Alex: 34:53

that's good stuff. They

Kelly: 34:54

make a good apple. As a matter of fact, you can make you Day. Of course. This is airing much later than that, but you crown float or black, black velveteen depending on what you half Guinness good stuff. Yeah, let's do it. So apples make up fruit tree population. Did you know that?

Alex: 35:22

Deciduous meaning in like indigenous but fruit no

Kelly: 35:27

deciduous means that they shed their leaves. Deciduous leaves or shed their fruit. Like basically they go bare. They're to deciduous fruit, apples or half of it, take a guess at how grown in the US,

Alex: 35:46

man? Well, I'd never heard of Rambo. And then I would say Higher hundreds. Hire 1000s 2500

Kelly: 36:00

varieties of apples are grown in the US. Wow.

Alex: 36:04

25 I wonder why we need that many.

Kelly: 36:08

Why do we need so many apples?

Alex: 36:11

What's the best one? What's what's your favorite?

Kelly: 36:13

Ah, I am a big fan of the Granny Smith. And Gala. Yeah,

Alex: 36:24

What is the one? The crisp? was the one well,

Kelly: 36:28

there's honey crisp. Yeah, I think that when Pink

Alex: 36:34

There is we? Yeah, if you listen to our variety show and Jeff. D. Do I like a good tart? Green apple. That's

Kelly: 36:46

Granny Smith, Granny Smith, tart green apple. That's

Alex: 36:50

then I also like, I like the crisp one. With like with slice of cheese. Okay, pretty good, too. Yeah, but you one. I mean, so there's different, different and I love Well, so

Kelly: 37:08

here's something that's gonna blow your mind. Apple pie, as apple pie. It's actually a European dessert.

Alex: 37:16

Like strudel. Remember,

Kelly: 37:18

it came from England. Yeah, Germany. I mean, it was know, while we might claim it just like french fries, being American. We perfected it. Okay. Yeah,

Alex: 37:34

maybe we were the first ones. Ice cream with it.

Kelly: 37:39

I doubt it. But okay. Well, we'll go with that.

Alex: 37:41

Because you know, the term ala mode is,

Kelly: 37:44

yeah, the French French term. So, Apples contain a that's actually a very beneficial thing. And that's make apple so healthy. Is that Molok acid? Now it's good for vibro? Malaysia? Isn't that what? My my alza Fibromyalgia Smith's wife has that. Jade alopecia? Oh, that I'm getting fibromyalgia?

Alex: 38:28

Yeah, that's a that's a nerve disorder, I think Oh,

Kelly: 38:31

I thought it was hair loss. Nevermind, anyway. malic fiber. As a matter of fact, they say that an Apple has one apple fiber as you need for one day. So eating an apple a day really that case. And you want to just take a guess how much a bushel

Alex: 38:59

Well, how much is a bushel? Like how many apples is 100? You know, 1000 apples?

Kelly: 39:07

Dummy dummy here didn't really I don't think it's done it's done by volume. So it kind of depends on the size. I'll

Alex: 39:16

the answer is whatever the answer. I mean, yes. Or how much bushel is. Yeah, yeah.

Kelly: 39:24

It's the universal answer to everything. A lot. 42 pounds. bushel with that you can make 21 pies. three gallons of cider, or

Alex: 39:43

I love applesauce.

Kelly: 39:44

I do a little cinnamon in there. You don't criss cross like apples.

Alex: 39:49

Oh really? No.

Kelly: 39:51

Here's the thing though. You're kind of getting ripped bushel of apples. You know why? 25% of apples is made of air.

Alex: 40:01

While I was I thought you're gonna say the core.

Kelly: 40:04

No, although I will say that I've actually taken to not bad. Come on, man, everything but the stem.

Alex: 40:12

But then you get those seeds the Johnny used to get

Kelly: 40:17

Right they'll sprout out and you'll have apples grown out worry about that. I don't I don't I actually when I was a fear of that, but I've overcome it. I do not eat the apple core. hardcore.

Alex: 40:33

So it's it's mostly air and water probably.

Kelly: 40:36

Yeah, a lot. A lot of water. But that's the reason can use apples in bobbing for apples because they have a lot Oh,

Alex: 40:45

yeah. Did you ever bob for apples?

Kelly: 40:47

I've done that. It's very difficult. Overrated? Yeah, those. One of those things that probably should be a dead end.

Alex: 40:57

line between bobbing for apples and being waterboarded.

Kelly: 41:04

That's that's how they finally got Johnny Appleseed. the truth. Turned out he was a Canadian spy.

Alex: 41:12

Yeah, I like the caramel apples also. Yeah, those

Kelly: 41:15

are good. Those can be dangerous if you have a loose

Alex: 41:19

Not a fan of candy apples.

Kelly: 41:21

Me neither. Me neither. I'm not a fan of that kind of apples. I mean, I like caramel. And they and that goes well with

Alex: 41:30

make a sheet. You buy them in like a sheet. And then you in there. Oh, man. Yeah, that's good stuff have

Kelly: 41:37

to do that. I feel like because I feel like if that gets probably a net health benefit.

Alex: 41:45

The the caramel apples. Yeah,

Kelly: 41:47

that's good stuff. Offset. Yeah. So back in the day Johnny would carry called seed balls. Now have you heard of dango. In Japan? No. So these are actually rather than just with clay, and other organic matter, maybe some dirt, some assist in the germination. It's a clump of seeds that you put done back in like the feudal days of Japan. And also in they were planting along the Nile because it flooded, it was and keeping them from washing away.

Alex: 42:34

So you just you just roll them in Clay,

Kelly: 42:38

Clay and dirt. You know, I guess there's other hummus or all these kinds of things. And they become a little more And they also germinate more easily. But there's a thing make the seed balls, and then you actually can just kind of they're sort of self contained, as long as it's not just like piece of concrete, they'll actually germinate and grow just these things. They also, they also deter like predators from them, because they're in this ball. And by the time they get want to eat it anymore. And

Alex: 43:24

I never heard of that. That makes sense, though. Well,

Kelly: 43:26

this led to a thing in the 70s called guerilla that? No,

Alex: 43:35

I'm not much of a gardener. Well, as

Kelly: 43:37

wasn't gardening done by gorillas, it was gorilla, not

Alex: 43:42

It sounds like kind of like the Wildflower experiment

Kelly: 43:47

yeah, they would well, this is where they would take in that. They would actually tossed these seeds, the seed balls into was really ugly, where there was dirt, and they would toss them Sometimes they would have like tomato seeds in them, sometimes they would basically beautify things by tossing these seed

Alex: 44:16

Yeah, that's what they did with wildflowers in the Texas

Kelly: 44:21

Yeah. And now look at it. I mean, actually, we're kind of right now. But I'm sure they're all dead by the time people are want to kind of get a vibe about Johnny Appleseed, you can out this the Johnny Appleseed the legend of Johnny Appleseed then you can also go drink some cider and some apple juice you siders, Austin East siders, yeah, we gotta get them to help quotes. To wrap up with though from Johnny Appleseed, but just highlights of things you've learned about Johnny Appleseed

Alex: 45:07

he it was less about the apples and more about the was a nomad. Yeah, never really settled just kind of wandered today he would have gotten beaten up.

Kelly: 45:28

Well, you know, and here's the thing is he probably because he had a quote that said, do not worry about being peacefully. There's your there's a little bit as n for the day. Appleseed. American legend. In the truest sense of the word. I of those Johnny Appleseed museums or festivals. Maybe he you where you have to live like they did back then we'll bring Seed balls and we will wear a pot on our head and we'll eat good time.

Alex: 46:13

For the people watching alone. I think it'd be worth it. bands at that festival like picture and like some bluegrass religious like is that part of the festival is sponsored by the

Kelly: 46:29

I would say very much in line with the way Christmas has Johnny Appleseed had a religious connotation back in the day I celebrate today. I think today they celebrate him being one of and somebody who really seemed to have a kind heart and care he did it through his love of God and His religion, but he who didn't get out and just try to exploit everything you tried

Alex: 47:03

what happened to the new church. Are they still around

Kelly: 47:05

still around still around it's I don't think it's called long I think

Alex: 47:12

it just called church Yeah, it's I'm familiar with it.

Kelly: 47:14

I think it's called the Swedenborg in church Swedenborg looked into better name, yeah. Up to this guy Swedenborg Well, Apocalypse explained and try to read that and next time I come Yeah, when

Alex: 47:31

you said Heaven and Hell and Apocalypse explained. I AC DC record.

Kelly: 47:37

True true or 60s war movies?

Alex: 47:40

Yeah, exactly. Alright, man.

Kelly: 47:42

Well, that's Johnny Appleseed. Thanks everybody and yellow, you got juice there fella. If it's tangy and brown

Alex: 47:49

your insider tone

Kelly: 47:55

Yeah, that's it

Alex: 48:01

my past I was so

Kelly: 48:12

locked in a pack?

Alex: 48:24

Getting the money